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"Tristan" (casselts) 07/08/2020 at 19:46 • Filed to: None

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I want to run the interwebs out to my shop. Can I just split off a new Coax from the connection at the side of the house and run a second cable modem/WiFi router gateway doohickey? I figger you can run multiple TVs/cable boxes off the same Coax- is this any different?

Thanks in advance, and use small words... I’m dumb.

lone_liberal > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 20:43

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I think you would need a second cable modem which then would mean getting charged for that. Can't you put a wireless access point in your shop and connect that to your home WiFi?

Tripper > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 20:44

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You’ll want to run cat6 from your existing router to your shop as long as its under 300ft. In your shop youll need a cheap 5 port switch like this one. House end goes into an open port on your router, shop end goes into the switch. Whatever you want to get out to the internets goes into the switch. If you want wifi, you can add an access point.

Tripper > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 20:49

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Also here i s a quick video on terminating cat 6. You’ll need a couple tools, but it’s easy.

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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 20:55

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How far of a distance to the house, are we talking? And, are you looking fro wireless in the shop of just a single Ethernet port for a computer?

The two options outlined by lone _l iberal and tripper will likely do the trick in different ways, albeit with some effort.

Another option , assuming the power circuits are the same between the house and shop. Ethernet over powerline. These have gotten better over the years but can be a little fickle but likely the easiest option. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S6DBGJM

cmill189 - sans Volvo > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 20:56

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You could run coax but you wouldn't use a second modem and you would need Ethernet over coax adapters. Running  Ethernet would make more sense and would be cheaper. You could also setup a wireless bridge, depending on the quality of your current wifi and distance to shop. You could also also setup a very strong outdoor wifi access point on your house and point it at the shop. 

Aremmes > lone_liberal 07/08/2020 at 20:57

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Yes, you can put in a splitter and hang a second cable modem off of it, but that will most likely require a second interwebs service account with the ISP.

Aremmes > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 20:59

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Yes and no. Yes, you can put in a splitter and hang a second cable modem off of it, but that will most likely require a second interwebs service account with your ISP. Instead, I’d run a solid-core plenum-rated Cat-5e or Cat-6a cable from the router to a small eight- or 16-port switch at the shop. If the run has to go outdoors, I’d run the cable through buried conduit. You can then connect a wireless access point to that switch (see Ubiquiti UniFi series).

If all you want is wifi, just get a mesh system like the AmpliFi series and don’t bother with running wires.

lone_liberal > Aremmes 07/08/2020 at 21:04

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I think you meant that for Tristan not me, but I’m wondering why plenum? He’s not going to be running it through an actual plenum so the fact it doesn’t give off toxic fumes wouldn’t seem to be worth the  extra cost. He would need something he could bury, though. 

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > Tripper 07/08/2020 at 21:11

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This is the correct answer 

Jb boin > lone_liberal 07/08/2020 at 21:12

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When i was still on coaxial cable (more than 5 years ago, i have FTTH now ), i could initially use splitters and plug multiple modems (there was one included on the TV “box” and i also kept older modems i didnt sent back when i received the new ones ), having my own server used as a software router, i had 3 or 4 ethernet cards for the different modems (didn’t have a level 2 switch at the time), having m ultiple IPs/connections.

At some point they blocked that and only allowed using the “main” modem at 100mbps and a secondary connection with the TV box that was limited at 30mbps.

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Anyway, in your case you probably won’t be able to do so and honestly coaxial connections are on a borrowed time , you should put a ethernet cable or an optical fiber between your two locations.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Aremmes 07/08/2020 at 21:12

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Question on this regarding cost. A good mesh system is in the neighborhood of $5-700. On Amazon I can get long runs of Cat-6a for about $100. Burying it is whatever, my labor is free. Is a mesh system really worth 6x the cost?

Aremmes > lone_liberal 07/08/2020 at 21:15

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It was indeed for Tristan, and edited accordingly. Plenum-rated cable has more durable insulation, hence my recommendation. I wouldn't bury any type of Ethernet cable without conduit, anyway.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Aremmes 07/08/2020 at 21:30

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You can also set up UniFi APs like the AC-LR as a mesh system these days. It works shockingly well but there is a nontrivial amount of setup required and the utility is a bit arcane.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 21:30

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You would need a second cable modem if you do that.

Does your shop have it’s own circuit breakers, etc, or is it wired to your house?

How far away from your house is the shop?

For Sweden > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 22:37

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To repeat everyone else, running an Ethernet cable will be incredibly easier.

Tripper > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/08/2020 at 23:12

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No, mesh/extenders are junk, they kind of work in some scenarios but the hard line to an AP is the way to go.

Dr_Watson > Tristan 07/08/2020 at 23:30

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Also, it's worth it to put ethernet surge protectors on either end of your outdoor run so lightning doesn't fry a switch.

Aremmes > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/09/2020 at 00:46

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Oh, I have worked with Cisco Aironet hardware, so this modern newfangled gear doesn't faze me.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Tristan 07/09/2020 at 01:12

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Reiterating everyone else, run Ethernet cable or fiber. If you want Wi-Fi, put an access point out there. If you need a switch for wired connections, put that out there. If you need both, there are a range of compromises that will work, from like a Unifi in-wall AP with a built in small switch to another consumer grade router set to act as an AP.

There are also mesh options, but I avoid them because spectrum is finite in the ISM bands, getting quite saturated in many place, and getting good results can be challenging if you don’t know what you’re doing. Regardless, it’ll give you mediocre service everywhere (it will make your experience in the original area worse). In the t ight packed burbs where I live, it’s an arms race and everyone is losing as people deploy ever more mesh devices that are loud and hog all the available spectrum in a vain attempt to get better speed/connectivity (which destroys the loser with a single gateway AP device, so they eventually get a similar mesh system that brings everyone down to  shitty results). My solution to the mesh problem is wires and a large number of APs with low transmit power throughout my house, but the damned things are so numerous that some of my APs aren’t used even when they should be the best option...

Another out of the box solution that hasn’t been mentioned is a point-to-point wireless link. I’ve done these with a range of cheap COTS gear with good results. Some use higher frequencies or can be used in a frequency you’re not using for your APs. It will require some wiring but no trenching.

Lastly, another that hasn’t been mentioned is if you have cable already running out there, check if your cable modem supports MoCA. If so, you may be able to connect a device that will give you an Ethernet connection on a coax cable that’s connected to all the other cables in the house. From there, you just do as mentioned in the first paragraph depending on your needs.

Grindintosecond > Tristan 07/09/2020 at 09:03

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If the shop is on the same electrical service as the house and not crazy far away, you can always use the power line adapters such as these . plug one in to your house wall outlet, plug a router ethernet cable in. and then take the other adapter and plug it in anywhere else you want internet. it uses your home wiring system but on another frequency. i love the things. they work well to move internet anywhere i need it. garage or basement where the router signal is weakening.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Aremmes 07/09/2020 at 09:31

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I was mostly referring to OP, lol. Otherwise I’d be saying get a pair of Nanostation M2s and do a PTP.